tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6122202736406124036.post3563697641950971268..comments2022-10-24T21:01:44.203-07:00Comments on Meme Bake: Straw Dogs and the Bandwidth of ConsciousnessIanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01979083018525397929noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6122202736406124036.post-43559642372800651992013-12-15T06:49:52.680-08:002013-12-15T06:49:52.680-08:00I still can find no evidence to support the idea t...I still can find no evidence to support the idea that we can absorb more than around 10 bits per second of novel information, however we are able to visually recognise anticipated sensations with an information rate of several Megabits per second. I explain this and more in my new book: Bottleneck -Our Human interface with Reality, www.humanbottleneck.com.<br />In the User Illusion Tor maintains that we subconsciously absorb information much faster than we do consciously, but I maintain that we can merely recognise at at higher rate.Richardhttp://www.humanbottleneck.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6122202736406124036.post-52125506101607313192013-12-07T08:46:28.561-08:002013-12-07T08:46:28.561-08:00Excellent post, Memebake.
I followed a reference...Excellent post, Memebake. <br /><br />I followed a reference trail of similar numbers from David Brooks' "The Social Animal", over Timothy D Wilson's "Strangers to Ourselves", and Tor Norretranders "User Illusion" all pointing to Zimmermann's work, before I ended up on your site because I didn't feel satisfied with the sources.<br /><br />Whereas the estimate of the information present in sensory input seems reliable, the main weakness of the 40 or 50 bit claim lies in one of the points you make: the 50s and 60s experiments measure the information rate of the output of consciousness, not of its internal representation. So the comparison of 11 million (which is in terms of representation) to 50 (which is in terms of output) is essentially meaningless. <br /><br />Seems the early cyberneticists got carried away and used information theory in an inappropriate way. <br /><br />Well done for fleshing this out. If all the above authors had done the same, they wouldn't be repeating claims that don't seem scientifically sound. Or perhaps the exact numbers don't matter too much, because the difference between conscious and nonconscious processing is indeed many orders of magnitude.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029021612886047873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6122202736406124036.post-27200007852343018612009-03-06T15:05:00.000-08:002009-03-06T15:05:00.000-08:00I refer you to my blog: http://wp.lodown.netI refer you to my blog: http://wp.lodown.netPierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005879132216205709noreply@blogger.com